PayPal Saga: A Shocking Statistic

Any updates on this? Honestly, I'm unhappy with your post.If paypal say yes then ok, if paypal says no, live with it. If you have a company, you have this right.If you need to use a paypal account, you can use mine. email me at fan.focus(at)gmail(dot)com, if I can help, i will. Thanks.

Why the heck you are hitting your head on the wall. I have been doing all that stuff for long time.

If you have a friend in USA, you can receive money in your paypal, paypal HIM or associate his acc with your paypal. Send money to his bank. Then use UBL Remittance service and money is direct into your account. You can even wire cuz ubl has a swift code. (Wire can be done in any bank in pk)

This method has been working for me for last 4 years.

But still i am dying to let paypal work with ANY Single Bank in PK.

I totally agree with above comment of Kami as whenever you call PayPal you will get Indian customer support guy most of the time. Indians are doing all major things for PayPal and they will get your accounts blocked if you access them from Pakistan even they are fully registered in UK, USA or Canada.

Bangladesh Bhi Nahi hai Bhai. Yeh koi aur Chakkar hai. I smell Indians behind it. They Indian Silicon Valley lobby may be at work here to maint IT hegemony in the Sub-continent. Think about it.

It operates in Trinidad, but only by allowing us to send money, not receive.

Well, my friend, you forgot Serbai, Bosnia and Herzegovine, Montenegro ....

We also DO NOT have PayPal ....

eBay Founder is IRANI, and IRAN main hi eBay Work nahi karta ha ap khud daikh lyn kiya haraami pan ha. ebay also owned paypal aur ye IRAN main hi Service nahi ha Dono ki.

Pakistan ko bhool jao.

For the same reason that you cannot pay for Skype credit with a credit card issued by a Pakistani bank. Certain people in certain circles would be hurt if PayPal comes to Pakistan.
(just my theory)

Hello

well Alertpay is just like paypal and support Pakistan. Rates are also reasonable.

https://www.alertpay.com/?ZoJxTsDNBVCxSXBf6KojHA%3...

Do give it a try.

Faisal Brother, I know its bad, Pakistan don't have access to paypal but its sad, you are saying YEMEN and SOMALIA bloody, Both are muslim countries but in bad condition. Why we take things to meanless site ? if Yemen have paypal, that's great thing, its our Muslim Country and famous for its vintage civilization.

Thanks!

As per my knowlege Paypal and Payoneer are both owned by Israel and they don't like Pakistan so they won't be a good solution for Pakistanis. I have heard that they are trying to avoid trades with muslims so that they muslims don't benefit from international trade.

These may just be rumours but what I am looking at for the past few years, this is now proving to be true.

2checkout is the only best international solution so far and can anyone tell me how to withdraw $2000+ from their account to Pakistan without using payoneer?

Thanks!

Egypt is also not supported .....

Cross posted in http://propakistani.pk/2010/04/14/paypal-in-pakist...

PayPal is already going to be doing some form of a pilot roll-out with Easy Paisa – they have been in discussion already.

With respect to Pakistan, the issue hinged more on internal disagreements within Paypal as what sort of roll-out to have for Pakistan. One of the fears of Paypal being introduced with direct deposits was anti-money laundering.

However, like it was cited on TGP, they are doing their ground work, they have setup an internal think tank to look at this market and more importantly, are looking at advanced features where by direct linkages to bank accounts and branchless bank account can also be covered. Yes, this would mean that they (Paypal would be deploying their own Payment gateway). You should write to Faisal Khan (http://faisalkhan.com) and check with him. He is being very mum about it – especially since he got contacted by Paypal (from his website you will see, he’s been writing to them for over 9 years to ask them to come here).

In addition a lot of efforts on the web like Fouad Bajwa and others have made it it clear to Paypal, that Pakistan’s time has come.

The discussion again and again on various boards, that the issue is our government, etc. is not true. There is a lobby within Paypal that did not favor Pakistan (might I also suggest the same lobby has made sure Bangladesh also does not have Paypal – make your guess!)

It has nothing to do with infrastructure (well barring the payment switch that Paypal sees a void in – as per their own standards, which they will also deploy themselves). Our infrastructure is quite excellent. To summarize:

- Paypal has setup an internal think tank
- A business case is being made for Pakistan
- Paypal will be setting up its payment gateway swtich here
- Trial with Easy Paisa are under works which at present is exchanging of framework information
- Paypal has already engaged a law firm
- Paypal has already engaged two technology consultants on their payroll (who are Chartered Accountants and are very well versed with technology)
- This is NOT a result of any one Pakistani’s effort or campaign, etc.
- The advance team has already visited
- Those in the know how are VERY quiet and have signed NDAs, etc. and hence are not talking much.
- UBL and other banks are also in touch with them and vice versa
- Full Services would probably be rolled out next year Q2/Q3 (2011) is the aim
- A lot of documentation was scanned emailed to PayPal US regarding our laws, etc.
- PayPal USA is directly looking after this.
- Folks who claim they are directly helping Paypal enter Pakistan like Fouad Bajwa, Zahid Jamil, Irfan Qureshi, Monis Rehman, Javid Bukhari, Ambreen Merchant, Abid Z. Chishty, Jehan Ara, Sabeen Mahmud, etc. is all lies.
- Paypal came here on its own.
- 6 Pakistanis who are working very high up in Paypal internally have been discussing this amongst themselves for a long time and then decided to take this initiative.
- Because of the security / travel ban, the ‘goras’ from Paypal could not visit Pakistan. But 2 of the Pakistani were part of the advance team.
- Singapore and UK office are providing ‘very’ limited support.
- Paypal knows VERY well what sort of license (or lack thereof) they need, and have been put in touch with the RIGHT people.
- I don’t know why EVERYONE in the industry wants to take credit for bringing them here – that is simply not true
- The kind of people they have hired for lawyers, technology consultants, payment architects, system architects, chartered accountants, and even lobbyists, I was HIGHLY impressed. These are just the right kind of people for the job. Discreet. Humble. Seasoned. Knowledgeable.
- They also under disguise – because Paypal barred them to do so, met outside for coffee/lunch, with all the top heads of all the cellular companies, via friends. The friends not knowing who they actually are.
- Next team visit is scheduled for immediately after Eid.

One else country where PayPal does not operate:
Belarus (BLR)

well as for wht i knw it is not pay pal that is creating the problems but our goverment since paypal is saying that the banks and state bank dos not have the platform and infrastructue for secure payments..they say they r very mch ready

Doesnt matter why things r these ways? What matters is how to change them?

As Faisal writes Pak has "18.5 Million" internet users. Why not advertise the issue, unite people and send petitions directly to paypal... (Sorry i dont believe "a lot" in govt officials)...

We often discuss amongst ourselves, write blogs, comment when we come across irritating issues... why not stand up and do our bit as software profs?

As Mohiuddin says, media guys cudnt realise the issue... Why not sit n make these guys see some sense?

Bangladesh is also not in the list :(

Reason: follow the chain of command at paypal and you will find more than one disgruntled indians somewhere in the middle, who want to keep to EXCLUDE Pakistan (it is not a question of INCLUDE). yes conspiracy theories can sometimes be factual

but it is not too difficult to fix, if the right set of people care to act on it

We are even not being privileged to know the "REASON". If somebody in IT field have good and personal relationship in the government of Pakistan or Ministry of IT , They can make the ministers to take personal interest and Interact (Officially) with PayPal in order to know at-least the "REASON" so that we can find out solution for it.

I also haven't heard this issue on Pakistani Electronic Media. I tried to make my friend (From Dunya News) to raise the issue, But Unfortunately they were not able to understand the issue that How important it is.

PayPal also does not support following countries:

Serbia
Montenegro
FYR Macedonia
Moldova
...

They are all European countries.

I had emailed PayPal support about this a year back or so and they had replied that Pakistan's banking and money system is not up to international standards and the government of Pakistan has to place legislation in this regard for PayPal to consider bringing Pakistan into its fold.

I think the government has to take this issue up with PayPal and apprise them of the things they require.

Pakistan should be accepted by PayPal now.

Well,
we are a Pakistani Company running Online stores for 4 different vendors.
All on 2Checkout.
Works without any problems with Pakistani Bank accounts.
I'm sure there are other gateways like e.g. Cybersource that works just as well.

@The Post Above. Again, you're missing the point. A lot of people do care about it, and sadly your solution is highly impractical and not pragmatic at all.

Don't take a myopic view to this all.

Who cares about PayPal, we get our money from third party transfer. Ask them to make a transfer to a American Pakistani in Amreeka.
he will transfer it back to Pakistan. If the Amreeki Paki takes 20% cut, don't worry we have come a long way from the days of Mr. 10%.

One update is that "Nigeria" is not on the list. Nigeria was in fact a country served by Paypal, but taken off its list of countries served due to the Nigerian 419 (Advance Fee Fraud) issues. They were removed from the list in 2001. SO back then, even they had it!!!

@Bilal Can you list some C2C payment services please that are widely accepted?

You guys need to start a movement to get Pakistan on the right track; Paypal will follow automatically. Get out of the anti-American, anti-Indian, "the-world-is-out-to-screw-us" siege mentality; clear the garbage from your textbooks and your minds; realize that you are up shit creek and work towards getting out of it. Everything else, including regular power supply and paypal will follow. Stay on the same belligerent course recommended by your rapacious and stupid army and you will go further up the creek and not just paypal, everyone else will also pull out. Good luck.

Shocking indeed. And mind you India can send recieve AND withdraw money!! our Honor and diginity demnands that we immediatly demand that paypal either include us or delete India or we will explode a nuclear bum in slummabad!!! (thats how we porkis negotiate!! Shoot ourselves if anyone refuses us anything)
And we will of course declare jihad on amirkhans because they are one of our sponsors who bugger us off and on.
But then whats the use of having paypal? to send money to the terrporists around the world!! We have hawala for that hein?
so no worries!! We are NOT blocked!!
Saudis chini and amirkhans give money for the buggering in cask after we submit!! So that does not require paypal!!
So really we do not need the kufr thing. - sour grapes hein?

Hi, I work on the internet myself, and you can only imagine how tormenting it can be not being able to open a PayPal account. You're doing some excellent work in at least making the point across. We'll do our best to publish this page to as many people as we can but I don't really think PayPal will take any step towards the right direction.

Who the hell gives a shit about paypal.
whether they do business in pakistan or not?
there are 10 different payment gateways that work just as fine.

If they dont' want our business. So be it.

@Anjam
Try
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/266093/2180278?m=6...

The member count is 5200+ right now. IMHO, what we need is someone (preferably a Pakistani - I am sure more than one work there) working at Ebay/Paypal to get us the unofficial word.

Good work Faisal but I think you need to rally some support. Had a quick look at the Facebook groups on this topic and membership runs to a couple of hundred people at best. Your stats are shocking and it is about time Paypal either started operatiing in Pakistan or went on record to explain why they continue to exclude PK. I was looking to see if the capital of 419 scams i.e. Nigeria had Paypal but it seems to be missing from both lists.

@Chit Chat:

(a) I have never said or mentioned in any of my posts regarding countries which can receive money, send money or do both. The issue being discussed right now is purely availability of Paypal.

(b). The facts are NOT incorrect. Go to www.paypal.com and click on Sign-up, the 189 countries where Paypal works - are in the drop down list.

(c). When we can't even receive money via PayPal, because there is none, then we have an issue (I believe).

Next time you unilaterally decide to shoot down a post just for the sake of it - do us all a favor and re-read through what has been written and if not to cumbersome for you, through in a little appreciation for what others are doing.

Shit Shit and alot more shit. My almost clients ask first do u have paypal account to received payment and my answer always no. Due to this i lost 40% new customers. We should do something to make this available in Pakistan. Faisal works about statistics is good but we need to find possibilities to make paypal available in pakistan.

Your Facts are not correct regarding paypal, Paypal doesnt fully support in all countries. Most of the countries are listed as sending money only, there are less countries which can use Paypal to Send Receive or Withdraw to a Local or U.S. Bank Account or a card. Checkout more details at offical paypal website https://www.paypal.com/worldwide/

You're very right, Our officials will take DECADES to recognize the issue. I appreciate your efforts regarding this. I hope this problem solves ASAP.

I use MoneyBookers but they doesn't operate in USA and are not so usable as PayPal.

I agree with what you are saying. But I think it is imperative to know the "why". Why is Paypal not considering Pakistan. This is not a government-to-government issue. Paypal and Ebay (the entity that owns Paypal) are US companies. We need to ascertain from them first hand as to what the issue is. Without having any 'a priori' knowledge of that basic fact, I think it would be a futile effort to raise hue and cry against any government office/official in PK.

I've been trying to do something about it for many years. This is not understandable - We have foreign banks operating like RBS, Standard Chartered, Barclay's etc. We have VISA/Master Cards - Something should be done about it.

We have un-countable useless dept. for every sector like education, medical etc. even separate boards for only attesting and stamping already original documentation. Pakistan govt. should do something about it. Can't we contact Shaukat Tareen or someone in banking sector or some online banking law professional to do something about it.
I think that should be the right way.

Why can't we make our own money transfer platform? Why beg PayPal to include us???